Rape of woman in skinny jeans 'not possible'

Just in case anyone thought we'd moved forward...............


RAPE OF WOMAN IN SKINNY JEANS 'NOT POSSIBLE'  
Bellinda Kontominas Courts
May 1, 2010

CAN a woman wearing skinny jeans be raped? Or are they so tight they can be taken off only with her consent?

These are some of the questions a jury asked before acquitting a Sydney man of sexual assault.

Nicholas Eugenio Gonzalez was accused of raping the 24-year-old as she consoled him about breaking up with one of her friends.

The jury of six men and six women heard Mr Gonzalez, 23, had allegedly pushed the woman on to his bed, ripping off her size six skinny jeans and underpants before the attack.

In his defence, Mr Gonzalez, a navy cook, said the sex was consensual.

During the trial the jury sent a note to the judge asking for more information about ''how exactly Nick took off her jeans''.

"I doubt those kind of jeans can be removed without any sort of collaboration," the note read.

Courts in Italy and Korea have also grappled with the skinny jeans issue.

In 2008 a Seoul court overturned the seven-year sentence of a man convicted of raping a woman wearing skinny jeans.

In the same year an Italian court upheld a rape conviction, ruling that "jeans cannot be compared to any type of chastity belt".

The woman had told the Sydney District Court she and Mr Gonzalez had met for drinks in April 2008 before going to his Surry Hills house to listen to music.

She said they had gone upstairs to his room so he could play his drums. He had pushed her on to the bed, placing his torso on top of her.

"I struggled to try to get up for a while and … then he undid my jeans and … he pulled them off," she said. The woman alleged he then raped her.

Under cross-examination from defence counsel Paul Hogan, the woman said she weighed 42 kilograms and did not find it hard to squeeze in and out of her jeans.

"I'm suggesting it's difficult for skinny jeans to be taken off by someone else unless the wearer's assisting, collaborating, consenting," Mr Hogan said. "I would disagree," she replied.

The chairwoman of the National Association of Services Against Sexual Assault, Veronica Wensing, said a woman's outfit should not be an issue in alleged rapes. "Any piece of clothing can be removed with force."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/rape-of-woman-in-skinny-jeans-not-possible-20100430-tzai.html

Posted: 5-May-2010

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How very sad to find the woman is still to blame in a rape case. Truly appalled. What does it take to accept that rape is not the victims responsibility?

Jas

Posted: 5-May-2010

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If rape there is.

Posted: 5-May-2010

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im with jasay on this. its appalling that people will even turn to clothing to put the blame back on the victim. this is disgusting.

Posted: 5-May-2010

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Same old, same old ....

What a woman wears contributes to being raped ....

Gee?

Is it really 2010?

How long has this myth been perpetuated?

Gimme a break - rape is rape, and the penalty is jail time.

Y

Posted: 5-May-2010

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who said the contrary Yanni?

Posted: 5-May-2010

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indeed appalling!  of course any item can be taken off with force!!  geesus where are jury and judges from the freaking stone ages???  (which even, of course, then women were treated with force)

Posted: 6-May-2010

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So if you wear a mini skirt thats acceptable too?No wonder women are reluctant to report rape!

Posted: 6-May-2010

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oh god slink that's askin for it didn't you know?!

it's funny cos i've been thinking that the world is making advances getting better, that a shift has happened gradually, that women's position in society is improving and then i read something like this and think we may as well still be in the bloody dark ages

Posted: 6-May-2010

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I recall a judges words when summing up the trial and aquital of a rapist some 20 yrs ago in the UK.

The judge said the girl 'Had asked for it' because she was wearing a mini skirt.

Posted: 6-May-2010

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Nothing changes does it girls?

A young friend of mine was drugged and raped and thrown out of the mans house, into his front garden, naked and unconcious, back  the early 80's,

In court, she was treated like a whore,
      why? cos' she'd been out drinking with her girlfriends and agreed to dance with this guy!

Yes, you got it right, she got up to dance with him in a club!

So, that was an invitation to sex and a beating that left her unconsious???

  When will NO mean NO?

Posted: 6-May-2010

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oh didnt you know tarot, no never means no. it always secretly means yes.

Posted: 6-May-2010

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As a survivor I am applaud that anyone would say that because of what the victim was wearing she could or could not be raped.  What is this world coming to when what you wear means if your attacker gets jail time or not for violating you. If you say no matter if you are laying on the bed totally nude then all actions need to stop.  No still mean no after all.  Good this really surprises me.  Hopefully courts around the world will wake up and see this is not acceptable.

Posted: 10-May-2010

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Rape is the lowest form of humanity and should carry the death sentence.
You will notice I have amended this post,but my anger with the subject rape remains the same.

Posted: 10-May-2010

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this is terrible.......... in this case we all should stop wearing skinny jeans, incase we get raped and then we will have no defense.

If the woman weighed 47 kilos, and the man was on top of her, of course she could not get away.  I am sure a female judge would not have made such a stupid statment

Posted: 10-May-2010

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Unfortunately they do and money often talks.

Posted: 10-May-2010

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If judges were as smart as they think they are, they would realise that wearing Jeans or mini skirts is NOT against the law!

Rape is. I think some judges should be put down...

Posted: 10-May-2010

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Amen to that.

Posted: 10-May-2010

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Its the 'old boys club ' women are still chattles , and someones already said money talks , the money to defend the indefenseable , the force /weight of of a man , etc
I think if a man was on top of a smallish woman she would squirm sufficiently with disgust .

the original sin of taking what is not given freely .

Posted: 12-May-2010